Moving on new hosting

Hello,
right now Club4elite is offline. Its because we are moving on new hosting and changing nameservers for domain.

You can always find latest information here and in our thread in MMG.

Regards,
Paul.

Analyse of funny post in eTalkMoney

This weekend I found funny post about me and Club4elite in eTalkMoney site (link here). Actually when we read it in our office we laugh long about it. Its strange that experienced autosurfer can make such conclusions.



With that said lets analyse this post.
First of all I don’t know this guy ("Robert"), time by time I’m in contact with MrLinux (money) and Peter from eTalkMoney, but I never was in touch with this man.


When Club4Elite started, Paul admin of C4E said all about “Transparency” but when you come to ask him some personal information he said that he prefer to not talking about it.

Yes, because I value high my privacy and in the mean time I’m not giving lie statements to my members.

Ok, I have been doing some research about his “Last Name”. “Vivenzio”. The first time I read it I thought it is an Italian guy but then after searching in Google with the word “Vivenzio” it all says that is mostly from U.S. Now my question if “Vivenzio” is mostly a U.S last name how he don’t know english?

I’m not declaring anything about where Vivenzios come from, LOL, but in statement "Robert" two time use name MOSTLY. This way he answers to this statement for me.
There is nothing to add from my side.

After doing more research about this guy I have asked many Forum admins, Monitors, and other programs where he possible log in (was difficult) but guess what? It seems that this guy is from Germany.

This part was the funniest and such statement comes from experienced autosurfer. LOL.
I have only one note here. Its interesting that SOME forum and monitor administrators share with such confidential information and accepted that "Robert" will announce this in public. Lets ask where is third party data protection in those sites? I would like to know those administrators who share with such information.

Let’s continue about his honesty. In the main page of Club4Elite he said that he has a 75% reserve funds, now that Club4elite is closed at the moment and he is preparing for the refunds, where are the 75% reserve funds? Did you spent it? He said that he will start refunding when the program re-launch.

Ok, this is good question about why I’m not doing refunds before re-launch of Club4elite.

There are three reasons.

1. First!
   Before refunds i need to inform all members that they need to apply for refunds. And i need to do it through email. Right now Club4elite site isn’t online and I don’t have options how to send e-mail to all Club4elite members.
   
   
2. Second!
   While Club4elite is offline its better to be quite. If I would start refunds in offline time there would be huge positive publicity, but its better to receive such publicity when site is working, this way attracting new members.
   
   
3. Third!
   As it was said I’m planning to do refunds in two steps. When first members will receive refunds from reserve funds I have available right now from first round. And all other members (latest) who will receive refunds from funds Club4elite will gain after re-launch. Why two steps and why after not before re-launch? Because I want escape from situation when all who are in first refund list, receive refunds before re-launch in one day and, those members who are in step two, waits for their refunds two, three weeks. Such situation would be a little bit unfair. In refund plan I have made no one will feel like unlucky.
   

So in few words “He need new money to refund”. What a great Business Plan! (DAMM!)

Lets get back to autosurf basics. If any autosurf have at least one member in profit, it means there are deficit to pay out to all. In Club4elite there are quite many members in profit.
I’m not doing magic and not investing funds in online and offline investments LOL.
Yes, of course I need new money to refund to all.

I can tell you, stay away from Club4Elite and their “Transparency/Honesty” it seems that lies from this admin “Paul” is just B.S.

Yes, we are very transparent, especially, what involves members security, financial situation and money cash flow. And as I said there is no lies (maybe few good ones) from my side. If I would lie, there would be beautiful Duo Diligence papers, my photo and so on, everyone who asks would receive well prepared information, and also this information would be available in site and so on. As it is in all other cases all those papers are fake. And this is what I don’t want do – to lie.
Ask your self, what is better? To think that you have all information about admin who run site and he scam after short while or admin who don’t disclose private information (and don’t lie) but run honest HYI game?

If you have any suspicious about Club4elite and my intentions follow up "Robert" suggestion and stay away.

Original copy from etalkmoney.com
http://www.etalkmoney.com/auto-surf/club4elite-some-funny-things/
Club4Elite: Some Funny Things
Post was made: Saturday, February 10th, 2007 at 2:17 am
By Robert



With regards and peace,
Paul Vivenzio.

Club4elite update - 2007.02.09

Hello members,

Only few days left till relaunch. If everything will work like planned Club4elite will be relaunched in the beginning of next week, it means we will relaunch faster as it was promised.

If we speak about Club4elite rules in round one everything was working like clockwork and we was protected against so called “hit and runners” so in next round we are not planning to make serious changes in terms. In general terms in round two will stay the same (except few small changes).

Refund plan.

First of all as it was promised no one will lose money in Club4elite. There will be winners and those who will stay in zero balance after refunds. It means now refunds will receive everyone who are not in profit (who upgraded more then received in cashouts
(total of all your upgrades – total of all cashouts you received = your refund amount)).

In first day of round two there will be announced ID’s who can apply for refunds. In five days everyone from this list will need to apply for refund. Those who will not apply in five days frame will not be in refund list. In day six refunds will start.

Refunds will be made in two steps.

Step one!
Each day will be paid out approx $1000 in refunds from current reserve funds, while reserves will drain out. Those who will be lucky and will get in first refund step will receive all refund in one payment.

Step two!
Step two refunds will be made from funds Club4elite will receive in round two. In round two will be made reserves for refunds and members who will not receive refunds in step one will receive refunds from this money. Difference from step one refunds is that in round two members will receive all refund in several payments, not in one. Step two refunds will be made one time per week.

First in a row for refunds will be first members.

In nearest time Club4elite.com will not be reachable for approx one or two days while we change nameservers for domain.

That’s it for now, Club4elite will be back after few days.

With regards and hopes to make this industry better,
Paul Vivenzio.
Club4elite.com owner and administrator.

Club4elite update - 2007.02.02

Hi members,

This is very important update and I hope everyone will understand that this move is to protect program and funds you trusted to me as an autosurf administrator.

As all of you noticed last week Club4elite experienced a lot of unexpected problems. Club4elite previous e-gold account was blocked what caused 5-6 days late payouts. After that members experienced problems with lost surfing day, this problem is still active and we are unable to access data base and to correct incorrect pending amounts. All those problems caused reduce of incoming money and last few days I paid out much more then received in.

If you read first interviews with me and also how it was said in Club4elite site, I will stop program before funds will drain out so no one can loose money. If we speak more exactly program will be stopped when reserves will be on 75% level. And this is current fund reserve level.

Today was the day when we had payouts for those who had incorrect pending amounts, and this is one more reason why I decided to hold upgrades. Today we tried to fix all database problems, but unfortunately without success. So after that I decided to stop first round of Club4elite.

Now I can officially announce that Club4elite is temporally closed.
But we will be back and as it was promised no one will lose money.

What we are going to do next?
1. We will audit all database and will prepare refund list.
2. We will upload all new futures we have already made.
3. We will make and add few new futures.
4. We will change our hosting company.
5. Will reopen Club4elite and will issue refunds.

It all may take approx. 2 weeks.

:: Accounts will stay the same
:: Referrals will stay the same
:: all current upgrades will be dropped down
:: refunds will not be issued for members who had payouts on hold more then 3 days (starting January 30(included)) (it doesn’t effect members who had one payout on hold status and second in pending status).

I encourage everyone to trust me and to understand that I know what I’m doing. I’m doing all the best for program and for members.

If you still don’t think so, then ask yourself
How is better?
To continue to do payouts while reserves drain out (this way few will receive good returns but largest part will loose all) or to stop regular payouts and issue refunds, this way no one will lose?

Latest information you can always find in Club4elite thread in MoneyMakerGroup forum. I will try to be online as often as I can, also Club4elite official forum representative Jacu131 will answer to any questions. He is quite good informed about everything.

And take note that there will be few days in this two week period when site will not be available at all.

With hopes for understanding and support,
Paul Vivenzio.
Feel free to contact me with any questions to club4elite@yahoo.com